| Where did God from? | Create Date: 7-Jun-2019 |
| Is mankind immortal? | Last updated: 7-Feb-2024 |
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| 1 | Can We Know Where God Came From? | 2 | Uncomfortable Void In Our Understanding |
| 3 | Time In Relation to Mankind | 4 | Ancient of Days, First and the Last |
| 5 | I AM |
Time is a physical property of the fourth dimension in our Universe that occurs based on mass, speed and gravity as described in the famous equation E=mc .
God lets us know in many Scriptures some of His attributes, thoughts, ways, love, abilities and of course requirements for having a relationship with Him. God inhabits eternity and eternity is where He has always been.
God exists:
| Isaiah 57:15 | For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite. |
There is a place in our mind, which we wonder:
As stated at the start of this topic, Time is a physical property of the fourth dimension in our Universe that occurs based on mass, speed and gravity as described as part of the famous equation E=mc . We need to understand from many Scriptures, that God created the Universe and when the creation occurred, then time began because of the mass, speed and gravity of objects in the Creation. Time, in terms of Eternity before the universe was created will be discovered when we are with God.
| 1 John 3:2 | Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. |
| Excerpt from the Big Bang
Topic: There are some frontiers of science that are now proposing that the known universe is a subset of a larger reality. There are many theories such as those spoken about in this article from www.UniverseToday.com ** that raises the possibility of a larger reality. In Job 38, God is giving Job a science lesson and in the verses of 19 through 20, God is telling Job that:
In the Christian realm of scientists, which can be backed up from scriptures, we are told that the universe is a small subset of the Kingdom of God. Notice in Revelation 11:12 "Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on." Notice that the enemies could see heaven and the two witnesses ascending into heaven which means it is always there and just not viewable unless God intends it to be. Also, in Job 38, the scripture points out that the Angels shouted for joy in the creation of the Earth and the Stars. Additionally, as discussed earlier in this topic in 2 Peter 3:10 -13, we know that the universe is going to destroyed and a new one will be created, which means there is a larger reality for the subset of the universe to be destroyed and recreated. ** From publications, the theory of traveling through a worm hole requires "unknown exotic materials" to stabilize and technology that mankind does not possess. |
As stated above and reiterating: God is not subject to time as God exists outside of time and eternity. God exists outside of His Creations.
This analogy has been given wonderfully by Chuck Missler on many of his Biblical Studies. In our modern world of computer software, there is a somewhat clumsy but still adequate analogy to describe mankind. Computer software has no mass and consists as values stored in a media device that can be transferred. Software is not subject to time but the media device, that it is stored on, is subject to physical constraints such as time and decay. If more software is added to the media device, the media device does not gain any weight / mass. If software is deleted/removed from the media device, the media device does not become less in weight.
Mankind is made up of a physical body, a soul and a spiritual body. The soul is our intelligence, emotions and memories. The soul, is somewhat analogous to computer software. The media device that our soul resides in, is both the body and also in the spirit.
| Genesis 1:26-28 | 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. |
| 1 Thessalonians 5:23 | And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. |
God gave us the third part which is the spirit, which is often described as the inner man or inner being.
| Romans 7:22 | For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, |
| Ephesians 3:16 | that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, |
| 2 Corinthians 4:16 | 16 Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. 17 For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, 18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. |
| 1 Peter 15:3 | For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; |
Because God gave us three parts and mankind is made in God's image, when our physical bodies die, then we are still alive because of spirit body. This is what separates us from Animals. We do not understand the design of the spirit body that God gave us but we know we are made in God's image, Genesis 1:27. Since God is not subject to time and inhabits eternity, our spiritual body and soul are not subject to time either. This is why mankind is immortal. The decision is where we will be spending eternity? Is it Heaven or the Lake of Fire?
The scriptures are replete with descriptions of God. "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7:9, points to God existing in the beginning of days. God informs us that He is the "First and the Last", which means God has always existed and there is no other god.
From Isaiah 57:15, we learn that God exists in Eternity which means there is no beginning of God as there is never nothing and nothing cannot exist because God has always existed. This is beyond our grasp to fully comprehend and we will have to wait until we see Him as He truly is to possibly begin to understand.
| Daniel 7:9 | "I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. |
| Psalm 90:2 | Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. |
| Isaiah 44:6 | "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me |
| Revelation 1:14-15 | 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. |
| 1 John 3:2 | Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. |
In the scriptures, there several places that identify God as a Trinity and with one of the names "I AM". This holds more significance than we could possibly understand because this is stating God is Eternal without a beginning and without an ending.
When Moses went up on the top of the Mountain of God, in Exodus Chapter 3, Moses saw the burning bush that was burning but the bush was not consumed. The thorn bush, that was burning, symbolizes sin where the bush was not being burnt. The symbolism of the thorn bush is sin in humans is continuous, and the fire is God the Holy Spirit, as read in many scriptures, where the fire exists with nothing required as a source.
| Genesis 3:17-18 | 17 To Adam he said, Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, You must not eat from it, Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. |
Before seeing the Burning Bush, in Exodus 3:5-6, we should recognize the point that God is telling Moses that his forefathers are still alive, in Upper Sheol, even though their physical bodies were dead. Notice the present tense of the the phrase "I am God of your father, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob", where God is not using the past tense such as "I was the God of your forefathers". God repeats that "God is I AM" in Exodus 3:15. This also implies God is the God of all people even if God is not recognized.
In John 8:54-59, Jesus Christ is also stating that He is the "I AM" of the burning bush of Exodus Chapter 3. It is also worthy of note that Jesus Christ did not phrase the information of Abraham in the past tense that also implies Abraham is still alive in Upper Sheol. Also, the Pharisees also recognized that Jesus Christ was also stating that Abraham knew him, where the Pharisees with anger challenged Jesus Christ's age in verse 57. Note that the "not yet fifty years old", is the age of retirement for a Rabi, where it is interesting that in a small way the Pharisees were recognizing Jesus Christ in the role of a Rabbi even if the Pharisees did not endorse Jesus Christ in any role or title.
| Exodus 3:5-6 God is telling Moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still alive (in Upper Sheol) |
5 Do not come any closer, God said. Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. 6 Then he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God. |
| Exodus 3:13-15 | 13 Moses said to God, Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, What is his name? Then what shall I tell them? 14 God said to Moses, I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I am has sent me to you. 15 God also said to Moses, Say to the Israelites, The Lord, the God of your fathers the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob has sent me to you. |
| John 8:54-59 Jesus speaking to the Pharisees |
54 Jesus replied, If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad. 57 You are not yet fifty years old, they said to him, and you have seen Abraham! 58 Very truly I tell you, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am! 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. |
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